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[PeterIMA]

I was told that an Indonesian company called CV Panca Naga Jaya, a small family-owned business, is exporting captive bred ornamental fish, including Banggai cardinalfish. I am not sure where this company / their facility for breeding is based. Can anyone provide more information about this company?


Peter Rubec

[Veng68]

CV Panca Naga Jaya
Banjar Batu
Belig
KEROBOKAN BALI
Indonesia
Tel. +62 361730102
Fax +62 361730101
Email pnjbali@indo.net.id

Found it on the Aquarium Council Website.
http://www.aquariumcouncil.org/ciolist.html

Cheers,
Vic

[PeterIMA]

Thank you for finding this information. Can anyone in the MAC provide more information?

PeterIMA

[GreshamH]

Peter when is the last time a MAC person answered any question here? You efforts will not bear fruit...that dog don't hunt in these here parts

[PeterIMA]

Gresham, I thought that line "That dog don't hunt" was Steve Robinson's mantra. I would like to
know what MAC is doing and would welcome their participation on this forum.

Peter

[GreshamH]

MAC has made it pretty darn clear they don't want anything to do with a bunch of folks that post here. I doubt they'd even post if those people left seeing how they've been treated here over the years.

Not concerned with Steve's mantra

What's EASTI doing? Haven't heard a drop from them in quite some time? Why not be concerned with YOUR efforts and let them do what they do???? IMO you all would get a heck of a lot more done if you stopped worrying about the others

[PeterIMA]

Gresham, Here is an update of what I know.

I will be attending the International Symposium on Ocean Science, Technology and Policy which will be held during the
World Ocean Conference (WOC) in Manado, Indonesia, South Sulawesi, Indonesia 11-14 May, 2009. Ferdindand Cruz of EASTI will
also attend and give a presentation. Gayatri Lilly will give a presentation (LINI) but is listed on the program as MAC Indonesia.
Eric Borneman will also give a talk and moderate a session.

David Manienti the Exective Director of MAC is slated to give a presentation at the Aquarama Conference in Singapore. Onamental Fish International is organizing a session concerning introduced species. I believe David''s presentation is tied to that session.

EASTI is conducting net trainintgs in Indonesia and will soon start programs in the Philippines.

Peter

[N1N2EGT]

EASTI is conducting net trainintgs in Indonesia and will soon start programs in the Philippines.

PeterPeterIMA

What's more fun than trying to reinvent the wheel?

[PeterIMA]

Steve Robinson introduced net-training to the Philippines in 1983. Reinventing it is necessary for reasons
we don't need to delve into.

Peter

[PeterIMA]

I attended the Symposium on Ocean Science, Technology, and Policy that was held at the Manado Convention Center as part of the World Ocean Conference. Eric Borneman moderated a session on the aquarium trade as part of the Coral Reef Conservation Section. Gayatri Lilly of LINI presented a paper. So did about 4 others including Ferdinand Cruz of EASTI

Gayatri spoke about the implementation of a management plan for the Banggai Cardinalfish (BCN). This is the outcome of a workshop by LINI about the BCN held last November. It calls for the creation of protected areas on the Banggai Islands and other measures to protect BCN populations.

Separately from this I visited the Aquaculture Exposition that had booths by various parts of the Indonesian Department of Marine Affairs and Fisheries (MMAF or DKP). I picked up a brochure about the BCN Management Plan created by MMAF. So, MMAF has adopted policies that are intended to conserve the BCN. I also spoke with a Research Scientist with MMAF who told me that MMAF was breeding BNC at their aquaculture research center in Ambon (not mentioned in the MMAF brochure). So, some positive steps are being taken despite the fact that the Indonesian government did not support putting the BCN on CITES Appendix II.

Peter Rubec

[mwp]

Very interesting Peter - thanks for sharing!

[GreshamH]

I attended the Science Technology Symposium that was held at the Manado Convention Center as part of the World Ocean Conference. Eric Borneman moderated a session on the aquarium trade as part of the Coral Reef Conservation Section. Gayatri Lilly of LINI presented a paper. So did about 4 others including Ferdinand Cruz. of EASTI

Gayatri spoke about the implementation of a management plan for the Banggai Cardinalfish. This is the outcome of a workshop by LINI about the BCN held last November. It calls for the creation of protected areas on the Bannggai Islands and other measures to protect BCN populations.

Separately from this I visited the Aquaculture Exposition that had booths by various parts of the Indonesian Department of Marine Affairs and Fisheries (MMAF or DKP). I picked up a brochure about the BCN Management Plan created by MMAF. So, MMAF has adopted policies that are intended to conserve the BCN. I also spoke with a Research Scientist with MMAF who told me that MMAF was breeding BNC at their aquaculture research center in Ambon (not mentioned in the MMAF brochure). So, some positive steps are being taken despite the fact that the Indonesian government did not support putting the BCN on CITES Appendix II.

Peter Rubec

I'm glad to see PHD's are no better at spelling then your average HS student. Thank god for spell checkers. Use Firefox, it has a live spell checker

[seamaiden]

<sea crosses her arms> I detest spell-checkers. Learn to spell.

[Jadefox]

Gayatri spoke about the implementation of a management plan for the Banggai Cardinalfish. This is the outcome of a workshop by LINI about the BCN held last November. It calls for the creation of protected areas on the Bannggai Islands and other measures to protect BCN populations.

Hi, Peter. I'd be interested to know your take on Gayatri's presentation.

[PeterIMA]

Gresham, Thanks for correcting my spelling. I wrote the message late at night, which explains why it has mistakes. I see you missed correcting at least one spelling mistake.

Peter

[PeterIMA]

Gayatri's presentation was OK. From my perspective, it did not add much new information. But, neither did the other speakers. One girl talked about the MO industry (barrier net collection, how the MO trade is structured, the COC etc, which is related to her MSc Thesis). Most of this information has been available since Steve Robinson wrote his articles in FAMA in the mid 1980's.

The real issues are whether countries like Indonesia and the Philippines will act to enforce laws against destructive fishing (using cyanide and explosives) and to implement measures to estabish MPAs etc. The BCN management plan has some such measures (e.g. MPAs in the Banggai Islands). Cyanide testing was not discussed by the speakers.

There also was some discussion about coral farming. One abstract suggested that the Indonesian government may ban wild harvest of corals and encourage coral farming to support the MO trade and coral reef restoration.

Ferdinand and I pointed out that the MO trade has shifted to reef tanks and that the demand for fish has shifted toward reef-safe fishes (like gobies and blennies). I pointed out the need to deal with better shipping and handling to reduce mortality through the COC (not discussed by the speakers).

I see the possability of more collaboration between various groups concerned about the issues mentioned above.

Peter

[Jadefox]

Gayatri's presentation was OK. From my perspective, it did not add much new information. But, neither did the other speakers. One girl talked about the MO industry (barrier net collection, how the MO trade is structured, the COC etc, which is related to her MSc Thesis). Most of this information has been available since Steve Robinson wrote his articles in FAMA in the mid 1980's.

The real issues are whether countries like Indonesia and the Philippines will act to enforce laws against destructive fishing (using cyanide and explosives) and to implement measures to estabish MPAs etc. The BCN management plan has some such measures (e.g. MPAs in the Banggai Islands). Cyanide testing was not discussed by the speakers.

There also was some discussion about coral farming. One abstract suggested that the Indonesian government may ban wild harvest of corals and encourage coral farming to support the MO trade and coral reef restoration.

Ferdinand and I pointed out that the MO trade has shifted to reef tanks and that the demand for fish has shifted toward reef-safe fishes (like gobies and blennies). I pointed out the need to deal with better shipping and handling to reduce mortality through the COC (not discussed by the speakers).

I see the possability of more collaboration between various groups concerned about the issues mentioned above.

Peter

Thanks, Peter.

[GreshamH]

<sea crosses her arms> I detest spell-checkers. Learn to spell.

Bah life isn't a SAT prep. I have software for that Likewise if you want to correct it for me I'm game

Gresham, Thanks for correcting my spelling. I wrote the message late at night, which explains why it has mistakes. I see you missed correcting at least one spelling mistake.

Peter

Firefox is wonderful though as it doesn't care what time of day/night it is, it always performs

Gayatri's presentation was OK. From my perspective, it did not add much new information. But, neither did the other speakers. One girl talked about the MO industry (barrier net collection, how the MO trade is structured, the COC etc, which is related to her MSc Thesis). Most of this information has been available since Steve Robinson wrote his articles in FAMA in the mid 1980's.

Did she write a more detailed paper or just an abstract? Just regurgitation of age old info?

The real issues are whether countries like Indonesia and the Philippines will act to enforce laws against destructive fishing (using cyanide and explosives) and to implement measures to estabish MPAs etc. The BCN management plan has some such measures (e.g. MPAs in the Banggai Islands). Cyanide testing was not discussed by the speakers.

No Cn discussion at all? Problem solved in their eyes or larger fish to fry? Any talk of TOC for Indo or elsewhere?

There also was some discussion about coral farming. One abstract suggested that the Indonesian government may ban wild harvest of corals and encourage coral farming to support the MO trade and coral reef restoration.

With out proper management coral farms tend to be the largest source of coral parasites in the trade. I sure hope they address that issue as well as it will drive consumers away from the product as we've seen in recent years. Less and less people are now willing to risk the maricultures. Site picking is crucial in this respect.

Ferdinand and I pointed out that the MO trade has shifted to reef tanks and that the demand for fish has shifted toward reef-safe fishes (like gobies and blennies). I pointed out the need to deal with better shipping and handling to reduce mortality through the COC (not discussed by the speakers).

I can't belive no one else pushed either of those items. Good for you and Ferdy for bringing them up. Any movement on your trials with regards to shipping? Have you developed new protocols for all levels of the CoC or just import?



Peter[/quote]

[PeterIMA]

Gresham, Duh, what does the TOC stand for?

Eric and I discussed the parasite (flatworm) problem associated with coral farming. He believes it can be controlled
by mixing the coral species on the coral racks (platforms) rather than growing each species on separate racks (e.g.,
polyculture rather than monoculture).

Peter

[PeterIMA]

I can't believe no one else pushed either of those items. Good for you and Ferdy for bringing them up. Any movement on your trials with regards to shipping? Have you developed new protocols for all levels of the CoC or just import?

Gresham, Over the past two years we have evaluated several protocols to help improve shipping of MO fish from collectors through the CoC to retailers. The most important was the developement of a tablet with Jungle laboratories that was added to the shipping water in the bags. The tablet has multiple constituents to control ammonia toxicity, buffer the water, control bacteria, sedate the fish etc. Unfortunately, Jungle informed me that since they were bought out (by Rayovac) they can no longer supply these customized tablets.

Last week we tested a new chemical formulation, while I was on the Island of Belitung. The new formulation was found to keep all fish alive for 70 hours in sealed plastic bags. We plan to use it for shipping from collectors to regional distribution centers in the Philippines and Indonesia, as well as for overseas shipments.

Peter