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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Flabello Meandroid » June 14th, 2012, 12:06 pm

With wings its always partisan and nothing more. Legislation uner an R pres- fine. Under a D pres - bad. It makes everything easy! :D
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby wings » June 14th, 2012, 12:08 pm

Magilla Gorilla wrote:
wings wrote:OMG. Inbound calls from known terrorist countries? Really?


OMG we've been over this a thousand times.
They don't just tap inbound calls from terrorist countries.
They are intercepting every freakin' phone call. They've admitted as much. I've pasted the articles.
They are listening on every call.

How do you feel about that intrusion?

Every call, regardless of where it originates. You call your work? They're listening.
You call a date? They're listening.


That would be different than the original argument. My argument was what I've stated yet again in this thread. INBOUND CALLS FROM KNOWN TERRORIST COUNTRIES. How hard is this?

Incidentally, even your man renewed that patriot act.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby wings » June 14th, 2012, 12:10 pm

Flabello Meandroid wrote:With wings its always partisan and nothing more. Legislation uner an R pres- fine. Under a D pres - bad. It makes everything easy! :D


No, not really. I'm also a fan of what others have said here - warrants.

I will say that I'm working with a police on my "crime" case, and its taking 4 weeks now to get a warrant. That's a retarded length of time. :roll:
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Prawnman » June 14th, 2012, 12:16 pm

_Andy wrote:
JimM wrote:
_Andy wrote:
Matt_ wrote:
_Andy wrote:
Matt_ wrote:
_Andy wrote:Is Google Earth looking in your back yard right now?


I don't know, is a drone looking in your back yard right now?


It could be and it would be illegal in my opinion.


But not with Google Earth? What's the difference?



GE is not designed for surveillance - it is a snap shot. One pic of various qualities VS continued surveillance.


Those satellites have had capabilities far beyond what you have access to on Google Earth for quite a long time though.


Drone
Agreed but what loas access to multi million dollar satelites and the ability to use them? Drones are cheap in comparison and will likely bu utilized quite often.


There are dozens of satallite imaging companies that sell access for pretty cheap. The simply rent time, or own their own. We have had a local company doing it since 94.

Example: http://www.apollomapping.com/?utm_sourc ... hwodj10eVg

That company you can only search their database, but you get the idea.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:17 pm

Cool site but they seem to sell pics not constant surveillance. How much would a few hours of tape coat?
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:18 pm

Could they even stay over a site for hours or are they only able to take snaps as they fly over?
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Flabello Meandroid » June 14th, 2012, 12:20 pm

No, not really. I'm also a fan of what others have said here - warrants.


That makes my point.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Flabello Meandroid » June 14th, 2012, 12:21 pm

_Andy wrote:Could they even stay over a site for hours or are they only able to take snaps as they fly over?


Stationary orbits are way too high- they can just take snaps as they fly over.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Prawnman » June 14th, 2012, 12:23 pm

_Andy wrote:Cool site but they seem to sell pics not constant surveillance. How much would a few hours of tape coat?


Try rereading my entire post... Pay close attention to my closing sentance.

Yes, you can buy live feeds (stills as they come in - but the satallite has to be in position, which I doubt a pd would be aware of). That company does not offer it, as I said in my post.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:24 pm

Thanks Dan - I thought so but wasn't sure.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:25 pm

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_Andy wrote:Cool site but they seem to sell pics not constant surveillance. How much would a few hours of tape coat?


Try rereading my entire post... Pay close attention to my closing sentance.

Yes, you can buy live feeds (stills as they come in - but the satallite has to be in position, which I doubt a pd would be aware of). That company does not offer it, as I said in my post.


Ahh. That wouldn't be very good for surveillance in the average Joe's back yard then.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Prawnman » June 14th, 2012, 12:26 pm

_Andy wrote:
Flabello Meandroid wrote:So how come nobody complained until a democrat was pres.... I mean until they started talking about drones?



This is a fairly new deal - I would not want a helicopter hovering over my property either.


Too late for that... PDs have employed helicopters for my lifetime. Ghetto Birds aka Eye In The Sky are everywhere.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby EddyP » June 14th, 2012, 12:29 pm

Flabello Meandroid wrote:Anyway, I still don't get the distinction between a plane with and without a pilot. One is a horrible invasion of privacy, and the other is business as usual?

Yeah, I think I'm with you.

They should be treated like planes and helicopters when it comes to warrants.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Prawnman » June 14th, 2012, 12:30 pm

_Andy wrote:
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_Andy wrote:Cool site but they seem to sell pics not constant surveillance. How much would a few hours of tape coat?


Try rereading my entire post... Pay close attention to my closing sentance.

Yes, you can buy live feeds (stills as they come in - but the satallite has to be in position, which I doubt a pd would be aware of). That company does not offer it, as I said in my post.


Ahh. That wouldn't be very good for surveillance in the average Joe's back yard then.


I dunno about that. They employee satallite imagery pretty effectively by our spooks and military. They using stills as well. A photo is all we needed to find Cubas missiles.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:31 pm

Agreed but the average American isn't going to have something like that in their yard or be doing something 'illegal' out there 24/7.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Bierboy » June 14th, 2012, 12:32 pm

EddyP wrote:
Flabello Meandroid wrote:Anyway, I still don't get the distinction between a plane with and without a pilot. One is a horrible invasion of privacy, and the other is business as usual?

Yeah, I think I'm with you.

They should be treated like planes and helicopters when it comes to warrants.

Warrants are not needed. There is not a reasonable expectation of privacy when you are outdoors.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby _Andy » June 14th, 2012, 12:35 pm

They can also see inside your house.

How long before the PD drones will be armed?
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Prawnman » June 14th, 2012, 12:39 pm

_Andy wrote:Agreed but the average American isn't going to have something like that in their yard or be doing something 'illegal' out there 24/7.


But a city could use it to prove building code violations, etc. There is a lot you can glean from watching above, which is why helis are so widely used. Without having to watch a house with feet on thw ground is useful.

And yah, FLIR can tell a lot about a house, and are cheap enough I can buy one for a few grabd,egally.
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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Wazzel » June 14th, 2012, 12:41 pm

_Andy wrote:They can also see inside your house.

How long before the PD drones will be armed?


Already happening, and close to home fo me.

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Shadowhawk by Vanguard Defense Industries, USA.

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Re: Sen.Paul - bill protecting Americans from drone surveillance

Postby Flabello Meandroid » June 14th, 2012, 12:51 pm

Although they may not have it with any weapons at all...
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