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Teardrop Maxima Autopsy reveals....

Postby Palmetto » December 31st, 2002, 4:08 pm

I had recently purchased this incredible and healthy looking Teardrop Maxima from a friend of mine at a LFS here in Columbia. It was an incredible clam with a good healthy-looking byssal opening with no visible defects. Here is one of the last pics I got of it:

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The only thing I noticed was that for a clam that large, it really did not open the mantle very wide. I had the clam for about 3 weeks, and it appeared healthy for the most part. It was very responsive to shadows and to the cycle of the 250-watt Metal halides and actinic dusk/ dawn. As I mentioned, the byssal tissue appeared undamaged and healthy- something to always look for when selecting clams.

The other night I noticed that the clam did not open much at all, and that the incurrent siphon was limp all around the edge so that instead of a frilly-edged opening it was a big round gape. I also noticed the peppermint shrimp getting excited about the clam and sniffing around it. (They never have bothered any of my healthy clams.)

The next day the clam was dead. Of course, being the reefer I am, I had to open it up and try to decipher what went wrong. (the other dozen clams are all perfectly healthy)

Upon opening the clam, I found a very large (1"-1.5"), jagged piece of liverock INSIDE the clam. See this pic:

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My opinion is that the clam was broken off of a piece of live rock, at which time it pulled all the byssal cords into the open hole around the damaged base- pulling this hunk of jagged rock into the shell itself through the damaged byssal opening.

The clam had completely healed AROUND the rock. There was no visible sign of anything but healthy tissue from the outside. My guess is that eventually there was internal damage as the clam tried to expand the mantle fully or close the shell.

After gawking at this a minute, I noticed a movement in the other half of the shell.

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There were two shrimp living INSIDE the clam! They are mostly translucent, with dark spots visible on them. I was able to capture both shrimp alive and I still have them available to study and photograph. I had heard of commensal shrimp living in large Tridacna clams, but this is the fist time I have seen pictures. Here they are:

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I sent a message to Dr. Ron, who agrees that these are commensal shrimp that live in the clams peacefully. He believes that they feed on mucous that healthy clams slough off when feeding. I thought this was so cool to be able to photograph them. They were shot above in a white bowl so that their transparancy would not prevent you from seeing them.

Just a few moments ago, I read a post by a friend of mine, Minh Nguyen discussing problems with the collection of these teardrop clams.

Here is a link to the post : http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23356

Poor collection methods could certainly explain why my clam had a large hunk of rock deep inside that it had healed over, although I suppose it could have happened naturally also. Sorry for the long post, but I found this all very interesting.

(although sad) :(
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Postby wombat » December 31st, 2002, 4:38 pm

A very helpful caveat for those of us who might want to buy these beautiful clams. Thanks Darren. I wonder if there are any efforts to aquaculture these guys...

Very nice pics of the shrimp!! I wonder if they can live outside of a host clam or not? Have you put them back in your tank? Hopefully they will adopt one of your other clams as a new home.

I once missed an oppurtunity to purchase a T. squamosa with a commensal shrimp in it. It had already been paid for, and the store owner didn't even realize the shrimp was in there. It was constantly running in and out and on the clam mantle via the incurrent siphon. I don't remember spots, but it was clear with a bright blue belly. I wish it was possible to buy these for a clam.
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Postby clwnphish » December 31st, 2002, 4:39 pm

Very interesting. What do you plan on doing with the shrimps, add them to another clam? or do they only live with teardrops?
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Postby Palmetto » December 31st, 2002, 4:42 pm

I think they are too large for my other maximas. The largest maxima left in the tank is 4".

I have some large Derasas I may try to host with. I will photograph the shrimp thoroughly first.

I may order some large Maxima Ultras to try one of those, but the shrimp are 3/4" - 1" long, although they are slender.
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Postby tazdevil » December 31st, 2002, 5:58 pm

Sorry about the loss of a beautiful specimen. Good info though, makes me wonder if aquaculture is the only "safe" bet as far as buying clams (although I don't think many aquacultured clams come with commensal shrimp :( ).
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Postby toptank » December 31st, 2002, 7:47 pm

Darren,

Thanks for sharing that. :) Have also seen that a few times.

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Postby Palmetto » December 31st, 2002, 8:07 pm

toptank wrote:Darren,

Thanks for sharing that. :) Have also seen that a few times.

Barry


Barry- have you seen a poor track record with the Teardrops as everyone else is reporting?
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Postby toptank » December 31st, 2002, 8:17 pm

Darren, I as well have not done well with these clams. I sent one to the director of ORA that the last I heard it was doing well but other shows bad mortality.

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Postby SPC » December 31st, 2002, 8:33 pm

Thanks for sharing Darren, very interesting!
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Postby peterlin98 » December 31st, 2002, 11:50 pm

thanks Darren for sharing. Sorry that your tear drop clam did not live long. :(
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Postby MegaDeTH » December 31st, 2002, 11:53 pm

Looks like it quit laying down new shell too
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Postby vitz » January 1st, 2003, 3:11 am

darren-sorry to hear about your clam :cry:

just one more reason why proper training of divers/collectors is so crucial for this trade :wink:

very cool pics, btw! :D
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Postby O P Ing » January 1st, 2003, 4:46 am

hi.
The larger shrimp seems to be a female with egg mass on the belly... do you have a macro pic that can verify or disproof this???
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Postby Palmetto » January 1st, 2003, 9:10 am

It does appear to be a gravid female. I will be trying to get more pics. :)
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